about brett kavanaugh, there's no doubt about the possibility that he did what dr. ford says. and there's jeff flake saying he will have doubt, at that meeting tonight that he has doubt about the credibility of brett kavanaugh. >> well, i think jeff flake is probably closer to the truth. people may retreat to their corners for the he said and she saids, but in the end there will always be doubt among some people and maybe even many people. the fact is this hearing today was very much actually in a grand sense like the clarence thomas and anita hill hearing in the sense that after the morning i was sitting live on the air with -- filling in for the break with a bunch of other observers and journalists, all of whom thought that essentially he was