12:30 when she came in because that's when they took a break? yes, that's right, now i remember. that is how the human memory works. it's obvious to prosecutors who have put on witnesses and gotten them to remember things, okay, was it before or after september 11th, 2001? that's a prosecutor question that they use to try to place acts that people can't remember. people tend to remember in big moments like that. not in minor details until they're reminded of it. i think this is such a good example of that. i think also to go back, again, to what -- what is going on here now. kavanaugh is going to testify and, i don't know, maybe he'll somehow redeem himself. i can't imagine how he could come across as credible after this. as everyone has said, as dan and joyce have said, think there's great perjury risk for him here. no matter what happens with this nomination, think what all of us are saying is this has become so much bigger.