republicans switched from being on the side of wanting to hear from somebody saying they're a victim to claiming this is all a big conspiracy? >> i think that there's a few issues at hand. i think that they wanted to have the hearing with dr. ford. but they felt that some of them felt that it kind of got moved around and they were kind of jumping through hoops for her. then you add the second accuser which no one really -- no one substantiated her comments. she's not even sure exactly what happened. and i think that also infuriated people. that this story came out. >> back to mueller, one last question to ben wittes. what is mueller thinking when he's seeing news that rosenstein might be fire, might resign, what is he thinking? is he thinking about a document dump? is he trying to protect the information he's been able to compile? what's going on with the mueller team? >> i don't know the answer to that question and if anyone claims to you shouldn't trust.