if you play it all the way out, imagine a scenario in which republicans on the judiciary committee, a group consisting entirely of older white men are questioning someone who claims to be a sexual assault survivor about her experience with the ultimate goal of trying to potentially poke holes in her credibility. that is a spectacle that i don't think anyone particularly wants to see happen. so that's fraught too. >> but garrett? >> yes, yes. >> she does have the option to do it privately, correct? >> that's what i was getting to, stephanie. i think a closed hearing may be the goldilocks option here. it gives dr. ford an opportunity to tell her story to the senators who will be making this decision without having to have it broadcast to the entire world. it would prevent some of that awkwardness and some of that potential for things to get truly off the rails. that option got floated late in the day yesterday and it may have legs. but i did just talk to one republican senator on the judiciary committee who said he thinks that would be a mistake. he thinks if this is real it needs to happen in the full