fdr. you have doris and meacham why did you focus on fdr first? >> doris used the team metaphor. this not about presidents putting points up on the board for their own team. it's about transcending partisanship and bringing the country together and doing things for the whole country. well, fdr, because he faced the greatest challenge in the 20th century, and he summoned all of his talents to be able to meet that challenge and doris in her book talks about some of those characteristics that you need for leadership, ambition. you know moral purpose. a kind of selflessness which seems contradictory to ambition. those things have to go together. fdr exemplified all those qualities and ability to bring the country together. joe >> doris, sometimes we'll