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nine, 20% of the presidents we've had in this country is that you have to learn. you have to grow. you can't just kind of say, well, that's the way it is, even though i have this power. presidents -- i think the power of the presidency has grown each president i've written about from nixon to trump. and presidents can do wonderful things, and they can do disastrous things. the process really matters. it finally gets to a point in the book where general kelly, whose the chief of staff, sits down with rob porter who is the staff secretary and says we need to write-up rules and we need to tell the president that if he makes one of these seat-of-the-pants decisions, it's not final. we have to sit down and have a process where the president will actually literally sign a

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