to mr. papadopoulos. if every one else remembers it the way papadopoulos does, so be it. just on what we know public lip sitting here right now, it doesn't strike me as a good purge perjury case. >> very good point.doesn't stri perjury case. >> very good point.sitting here doesn't strike me as a good perjury case. >> very good point. whether trump will sit down with mueller or not, at what point does mueller run out of patience and realize this is just a stalling tactic, if he thinks it is, and ends up subpoenaing is president? what would you be doing? >> i think the mueller team has long ago, many, many months ago realized you can't rely on what mr. rudy giuliani says and it's a stalling tactic. does the mueller team absolutely