showing on the screen president trump speaking last night at the white house where he says my poll numbers are through the roof. that's the president of the united states lying to you. he can say all day long there's a negative bias coverage against him but there's a huge difference between negative bias and fact checking. fact checking is what our job is. the president lied day in and day out. it is true that he is a habitual liar. because he fact check a has been bit wall li habitual liar. that is what the president of the united states is. >> that's right, and to finish my point, if we are at this place where the president is kind of perilously rocking back and forth and his ability to stay in office may be in doubt, i think the obligation is not to write anonymous op-eds. it's to go public and make things better.