does that affect you as a judge when trying to interpret the constitution and trying to interpret acts taken pursuant thereto. >> that's an interesting question, senator. i think we recognize that we're all imperfect. first of all, all of us as humans are imperfect, and that includes judges and that includes legislators, it includes all of us are imperfect. so we recognize that in how we go about setting up our government. if there were some perfect group of people, we'd put all the power in that one body. but because we're imperfect, putting all the power in that one body would be, as senator klobuchar was saying, the definition of tyranny. so i think how we deal with the imperfection while also having a government is dividing the power, separating the power, and again to my mind that all reinforces why the framers, the genius, despite the flaws in the constitution, and there were flaws, the genius of separating