russian and american flags were thrown at the president of the united states. and what was supposed to have been a very secure area. so i think if there's an explanation along those lines, i mean, there's certainly is that climate. of security fear here. but on the other hand mr. guttenberg said kavanaugh was aware of what he said to him and, quite frankly, he felt, you know, slighted and hurt that mr. kavanaugh wasn't willing to shake his hand. >> he was on with lawrence o'donnell last night. hearing him repeat the words he was saying in that environment and i don't think any rational adult can call that hearing room lacking in security. it was up to the gills yesterday with security because of the 60 protesters they carted out of there but hearing him yesterday repeat the words he had said trying to introduce himself to kavanaugh was quite compelling. kasie hunt, thank you. yes? >> brian, just from a strategy