he's the author of "trump nation," a book about donald trump. and msnbc contributor. and david frum, a senior editor for "the atlantic" is the author of "trumpocracy." john heilemann, you've done this kind of work that bob woodward has done, you've done it on then campaign trail, most famously and most widely read, "game change" and other books. your assessment of how this battle is going so far as we come to the end of day one of the trump white house versus bob woodward. >> well, about how you would p have expected it to go, which is to say very well for bob woodward and very poorly for the white house.or the white house has had -- has been lucky in some sense in its enemies, although everything that we've read so far from the woodward book, at least the excerpts and the reporting on it is very consistent with what we saw in michael wolff's book. it is the reality that whatever you think of "fire and fury" michael wolff is a more easily attacked messenger than bob e kn woodward. again, without even being mean to michael wolff although there are issues with michael wolff.