hearing. >> no, the fisa warrant application process is nothing like anything you would see in any other court and, in fact, the strange thing about it is while it doesn't have an actual hearing, instead what it has is arguably a more exacting process. as a criminal defense attorney you always want to hear and you want things to be in public but realistically with the warrant process and particularly with the fisa warrant process, that must be done in secret. people who apply for fisa warrants will tell you that the process requires a ton of approval up and down the chain of command. they work together almost with the judges' chambers and go back and forth with lots of questions, concerns, you have to fix this, you have to beef this up so that the final product, at least according to them, is highly vetted by both the judge, the judge's assistants, the doj, investigators, everybody involved. there's a lot of accountability even if it is all on one side of the prosecutor's side. >> yes, so much of intelligence