he didn't see it that way and wasn't his reaction. we were talking about that at the break, we never heard that term. >> we never heard the term, i don't know how you take it any other way -- >> that's a lie. come on. >> anyone else has clearly said that we've seen the term monkey used in racial terms. that's one. second, he said that he's used it many times before. well, let's see where he's used it before. i challenge desantos. show us where you use the material a monkey it up before and clearly, if you are trying to sell yourself as one that can govern and bring a state together, the smart thing to do if you have those feelings is to say if i offended people, that wasn't my intent. i apologize for anything and show leadership but to double down when so many people are saying they were offended shows that there was an intent there. >> help us here try to