policy matters. what he obsesses about isprotec. he has used the certainly salgtszing t term saddling the president with controversy. and it is nothing but obstruction if the president ultimately does fire jeff sessions. >> and i'm not sure what the president really expects. jeff sessions to do. i mean, he was a witness in the matter. he was present at some of meetings. he has been interviewed. does he expect exceptions to just sort of put the clamp on, squaush squash erpg averything and walk? not going to happen. >> all right. two smart guys. thank you so much. the trump administration siding with asian american students claiming racial discrimination against harvard.