to embarrass america across the world. we saw with the social media campaign, facebook ads, groups, phony tweets and russian bots, a lot of what they did was not directly aimed at the election. some of it was, but a lot of the was simply fueling divisions that already exist in our society. it's part of their asymmetrical warfare strategy against us. >> jack, in the movie you show election machines and things like that. but people come on our air and say, prove to me that one vote was changed. your argument is bigger than that, it's not the ballot box, it's the minds that were changed because of influence by russians. >> it's a multifaceted attack, that's the most important thing to remember. it wasn't just one intelligence operation that was let loose in america. it was several. and some of them have been going on for over a decade beforehand and then turned towards this. so a lot of it was absolutely