>> some people who would be watching this with a skeptical eye would say why would a tabloid sit on salacious stories when it is in the business of selling salacious stories, why would they have these files on somebody like president trump, as owe outlined, and then sit o them and do nothing with them? >> it's about collecting favors, more than anything. when you're a media owner and you have a vast variety of publications, ami does, information comes your way. as you collect famous people, you want to keep them in your favor. what better way to do that than killing stories that might embarrass them. how do you benefit from that in the long run, you keep something you can use when you need their help, whether it's in breaking an advertiser that they have a connection with, or more importantly helping another publication that you own that is struggling at the newsstand, and killing a story in the enquirer, and convincing them to go to one of the other publications you have. >> so to that end, what was the relationship like between david pecker and president trump from what you've seen, from what you've heard and observed?