that staying away from making this a referendum on trump for gillum is going to be a winning strategy, in a state you know very well? >> i don't think he'll be able to stay away from it. hallie, he's already hit back at the president for tweeting at him this morning, just in the last hour. gillum basically said, bring it on, mr. president, if you want to have this conversation. i've spoken to officials on both sides of the aisle overnight, late into the night last night and this morning. both sides are optimistic. democrats, they actually have a candidate now that can electrify this race. that can nationalize this race in the way that republicans have been able to do with ron desantis and donald trump. in a way that now you might see folks like the obamas and bernie sanders and others come into florida. t this will be a showdown. republicans on the other hand are saying, we have our guy. donald trump's guy. >> yup. >> to be honest, in florida politics, tallahassee is a relatively small town. gillum is not well-known outside