the judge in washington, d.c. than they did down in alexandria just a week or two ago. >> cynthia, there are a lot of theories about the manafort defense team and what they're up to, the conversations they had with the mueller team. we heard this today from former fbi counterintelligence official. let's listen to this. >> i've got a theory on this manafort attempt at a pre-deal, which is he doesn't want this stuff to come out at the next trial. this is about being an agent of the federal government. this is about, as joyce said, russians and ukranians. the evidence that's going to come out here will be ugly and it's going to point badly at the president and who he surrounds himself with. i think manafort gave a shot to not let this trial happen. i think mueller heard what he had to say and he said, it's not good enough. we're having a trial. >> what do you think of that, cynthia? >> that's possible. another possibility is they piddled around and danced around to have some plea negotiation to