i mean, we'll remember months and months ago when he met with abe he talked about afterwards the big beautiful slices of cake they shared together, everything -- chocolate cake. everything is a performance, it's about the optics, being a strong man against other world leaders in ways they're now responding to. and i think that is why these trade policy decisions, or even his knowledge of them come secondary to the president because to him it's almost like a business dealing. it's dealing with people in a political way. >> or like a reality tv show, every day is a new episode and you don't need to worry about continuity or consistency. >> exactly. >> i want to go back to his lack of understanding of what a trade deficit means. he actually thinks we pay money to other countries. >> it's money we lose. >> yeah, this is the president of the united states supposedly conducting trade deals. >> and he has smart people around him. larry kudlow knows this stuff, mnuchin knows this stuff. >> you guys are reported on this more than anybody. plenty of people have tried to -- when you educate the
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