so they could succeed. >> and you traveled with -- and we're look at pictures in the senate of you in the senate briefing room with john mccain, with lindsey graham. that friendship may have been strained in recent months or years because of the effect of donald trump, but they really -- they and joe lieberman and the others were such close friends. >> such close friends. i mean, first of all, lindsey graham and joe lieberman and john mccain, the original three amigos of the three of them, incredibly close and believe in the exceptional role of america and american leadership and standing up for human rights around the world. and john was the leader of that. whenever he traveled, any person that was -- was a threat he would stand up to them and he stood up for our values and his