of what they could have given them immunity for. i don't think it's necessarily a case that they turned on donald trump. it's really assuming way too much. at the same time. >> michael, cfo of the trump organization, you're not too worried about what he might do? they always say, follow the money? >> absolutely, at the same time i think the 26th floor of trump tower was filled with a large group of very professional people working with very professional firms like accounting firms and legal firms, to think that donald trump's organization could work outside of the law for any given period of time is to assume a lot, i believe. you know, these guys were professional. allen is very professional. i doubt they were doing anything routinely outside of the law, i saw his name was brought up in that tape that michael cohen provided. i'm quite certain that's why he was brought into this. it would make sense that the guy that disburses the check's at donald trump's personal company