the blacks versus white season he proposed on "the aprep tispr and then him being the chief spokesperson on the birther movement and the way he treated randall when randall was such a dominant, unequivocal winner of that season that randall won and he asked him to share his apprenticeship with the -- with the white contestcontestant. he had never done that with any other contestants. the way randall won, there was no competition. it wasn't as if it was so close and he was asking him to share it. to me, it was about diminishing randall and what he accomplished, taking him down a tack because he was so dominant. >> how did -- omarosa was tasked with responding to all of you when you did your press conference. did she reach out to you? did she talk to you about it? >> yes. for me, omarosa was calling me the day before we were going to do the press conference.