of this. it's an extraordinary press conference, former "apprentice" members of color. what is it in your experience with donald trump brought you to the conclusion he was racist such that it you had that press conference, tara? >> for me, there were several things. the first is when he proposed a blacks versus whites season of "the apprentice." i thought that was horrific. and just the damage that something -- something like that would do and that he was seriously considering it and floating the idea. that was point one. >> omarosa talks about marc burnett setting the seasons up that were provocative, where you had teams mostly black or mostly white. that was the way the show was built. >> that was not experienced on my season but there were very few blacks on my season specifically. i will say this, donald trump, i saw sort of the evolution of him deciding to make race his -- basically his platform. and so it started for me with