to do with russian collusion. >> he's all but promised. look at his words and the verbiage used. pretty much dangled this in front of him. look what he said about cohen. looking for a good lawyer, don't call michael cohen, but when we get to paul manafort, this poor guy. such a victim. look how horribly they're treating him. i disagree a little. >> that he's a stand-up guy. >> exactly. this chapter of the trump presidency is clearly directed by martin scorsese, obviously. i disagree a little, because this is not a president who necessarily follows the advice of his counsel. right? he's demonstrated that a number of times. when you look at the defense, the trials they put on, didn't make much of a case there. kind of sat back. you saw manafort during the trial give rick gates, former partner, the stink eye the entire time. i'm waiting on a pardon. i would put money on it. i'll buy you a drink back in d.c. if it doesn't happen. >> and what did we learn from the first trial, gentlemen, looking ahead to the next one?