to yourself, you know, oh my god. we didn't tell him how dangerous that could be? >> but no one knew. no one ever -- >> no one thought it was -- >> ever be like -- >> it's like -- "oh, hey, don't walk into that garage" you never know if someone's going to shoot you. >> reporter: robby told police diren had done it before but never taken cash or valuable property. >> he wasn't a criminal. he was, like, a kid. he was a kid trying to have fun and fit in the group doing what the other guys do, trying to be part of them. >> reporter: was it really that innocent? >> true or false, diren was committing a crime. >> he was. >> entering somebody else's home, even their garage, that's a crime? >> yes. >> even if the door's open? >> yep. >> reporter: and if kaarma's life was threatened, he had the right to shoot. didn't he? but as police went over kaarma's story about what happened just before the confrontation, something stood out, when kaarma was describing how his wife first noticed someone was approaching their garage. >> she's like, "show time." she's like, "i see something, a