went out and giuliani made a very direct plea, don't speak. we'll pardon you in the end. we'll pardon you in the end. then he says not going to do it until after the second trial and who knows whether or not there's going to be another trial in west virginia on those other counts. so i don't know how anybody could afford that. we're talking about tens of millions of dollars of legal fees, and, you know what? if and when he gets the pardon, he's just -- manafort is just trading camp fed for sing-sing on the hudson. that pardon does nothing him to. nothing noifor him in new york state and new york state has this guy by the whatevers. he has these tax counts. >> thank you, martin. >> okay.