interpreter. by how much is there a sense that the walls may be closing in? >> there's a sense of shock inside this white house because of the double barrelled legal news that happens on tuesday. still reeling from that in most respects. and the president has become isolated, but it was isolated in many ways over the last few weeks. he's been unhappy with michael cohen, the person he relied upon to talk to people like david pecker, keep him in the tabloids, handle situations behind the scenes. now he feels betrayed. the candidate's been named by cohen in court, and so now it's been brought to the presidency. when you listen to sara sanders, the press secretary and others, they keep saying they're not talking about pardons in the white house. but that doesn't mean the president is not talking about manafort and cohen with people like giuliani playing golf in scotland. >> for frank, for all of us who don't have a background in your