punishment? how much of this is about being urban meyer at the oxford university, a national champion? >> there is no question the stakes are extremely high f financially for the university. there is a lot of bowl money potentially at stake if you are a number one team in the bowl championship series. so, yeah, the stakes are very high at these major schools. there is no question. the thing that's most disappointing to women observers like me is courtney smith's name was never mentioned at the press conference by urban meyer. they don't appear to get it. they don't appear to get that basically what this message sends, the suspension and the press conference that followed, is that guys are right when they tell a female victim, you know what? no one is going to care about you. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you so much. always enjoy your work at "the washington post." >> thank you. >> i hope you come back. that is going to wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." katy tur is standing by. i'll see you tomorrow morning on "today" and i'll see you back here on msnbc at 1:00.