and the logic, by the way, of firing manafort. he has to fire mueller at the same time. incredible injustice. mueller is prosecuting innocent people and not fair and pardon michael flynn but none of that will change what's going on in the southern district of new york, which is more jeopardizing him than mueller is. >> okay. so, benjamin and then katty, please follow up. benjamin, this is a massive investigation, ultimately, about the national security of the united states of america. and whether or not our elections were tampered with by the russians which there is clear evidence that this is going on. at what point is a pardon actually witness tampering? >> well, so, i don't know that a pardon is witness tampering, but i have to say when i heard the president yesterday making those statements, issuing those tweets. you know, my first reaction to