trying to discredit the deep state, now trying to discredit john brennan. all these people who relate to the thing the president likes to talk-b which is the collusion issue, the russia story. again, we all think that's a legitimate story but they've spent a lot of political energy on that. what they have not spent political energy on because it's really almost impossible for the president to do this, is to try to discredit michael cohen. what are you going to say? these are not -- he's not bogeyman. he's not a stranger. he's not a washington insider. he's not an establishmentarian. he's not a member of the deep state. he's the president's personal lawyer and fixer for more than a decade. and he's now in a position where having spent all that ammunition politically trying to discredit one investigation he's now faced with a much more credible witness who's implicated him in a crime and it's a political matter that's a much more dangerous place to be than even the russia inquiry, which obviously has all its own dangers for the president. >> and joining our discussion now is michael avenatti, attorney for stormy daniels. and michael, i think history's going to show that you led us and the investigators to this point today, that michael cohen would not be pleading guilty possibly to anything today, if you had not taken stormy daniels' case and showed her the way that she could find her