we had in the watergate case, but this is a dramatic day. it's a thrilling day for anybody who wants to see the truth come out. this is clear evidence that the president committed crimes. and that is grounds for impeachment. there's no question of it. i know he will defend in saying well, this isn't rush. well, i don't care that it's not russia. it's not russiagate, but it's still trumpgate. this is crimes by the president of the united states, and it affected the election. that is a terrible thing, is that we have that happen in our country. and your opening is quite correct about the millions of people who might not have voted for him had they known the truth. and we can't get restitution for that. there is no way. but we could get some relief from this presidency. >> and we're joined now by phone by mimi rocca. she's a former federal