just been convicted of very serious crimes is what it looks like he's doing. >> seth, talk to me about the mistrials versus the convictions. there were no acquittals. what does this mean in the context of this trial and its success? >> yeah, i mean, you can't look at this as anything but a sweeping victory for the prosecution. to get someone on serious bank fraud, tax evasion charges, mr. manafort will be facing essentially a life sentence given his age. whether that's 11 years or 15 years, the judge will have a decision whether to stack those crimes in sentencing. the key point to all of this may be when the smoke clears, is paul manafort going to cooperate? is he going to walk into mueller's office, say, you got me, i need a deal now. then of course the x factor that's very difficult for all of us to answer is the president going to issue a pardon. >> ty, i'm just looking at e-mails -- tweets from lindsey graham that came out a little while ago where he said the american legal system is working its will in both the paul manafort and michael cohen cases.