an ebullient mood than in some interviews i've done with leagues in the past. the interview yesterday with was -- was with my colleagues. he'll offer drinks, make a big show pushing the button on his desk to bring somebody in to offer a diet coke and he didn't yesterday nap was noticeable to the three of us at the beginning but ended up, we were only supposed to have 15 minutes with him and it ended up being more than 30. he warmed up and we ended up having a really good conversation. >> again, i ask you, you know, you've been up close with the president when he was a candidate and now as president of the united states more than most other humans on planet earth. so you read him pretty well. you've seen him sometimes dissemble directly to your face i know from some of your past interactions. so when he says something to you like, hey, i've never really