i don't mean do go like -- >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. the president of the united states says i didn't -- >> truth isn't truth, mr. mayor, do you realize -- this is going to bad meme. >> don't do this to me. >> don't do truth isn't truth to me. >> joining me on set, chief correspondent for the washington post, dan balls. ken dilanian, former special assistant to the president and former press secretary for vice-president pence mike lauder. and white house reporter for the washington post sung min kim. thank you all for being here. i hardly know where to begin on this evening. but, dan balls, since you have spent many, many years, watched many presidents do this, have you ever seen before this kind of dissembling around what is true and what is not true in your time as a reporter covering washington? >> no, i don't think anybody has. we've seen presidents who have dissembled occasionally. we've seen administrations that have lied. we know that that is sometimes