there, if you could just have a link to trump, the candidate himself knew they were there at that moment, that would rise to that level? >> it was a huge moment, i don't think there's any doubt about that are. we just broke this news here within the last half hour and there's different aspects and he's such a controversial person there's all sorts of reactions. handing off the program to you tonight, the one thing that all our panelists agreed on, our republican strategist, former clinton aide, and a adjourn allist, was wow, that seemed pretty big. again what he said about don jr., treasonous, crack like an egg, implied it to manafort, that was staff level. none of that involves impeachment, presidential abuse of power, because it couldn't involve directly the president. what he said in our interview, so fascinating, is that if, if that's provable, it would be terribly concerning for donald trump. well, as i pressed him, he initially said he thought don jr. did tell donald trump about the russia meeting, getting russia's help, trying to do that, is that election conspiracy?