harvard graduation. >> that's great. >> you know, it's going to take me a while to read these business books from harvard, you know. no, but she was -- that was aretha, you know. she stayed up on things. >> you said on the table there were different kind of clippings, recipes, travel. did she like to cook? we think of her as an entertainer, but maybe privately among friends and family she entertained. >> oh, she could burn. aretha loved to burn. are you kidding, she could burn. >> she got an honorary degree in 2014. glen must have told that story at harvard, all right, let's get her a degree. the first thing he said was how curious she was, how she would call up and ask questions. so that's remarkable, that curiosity. it is kind of noteworthy though