wanted. >> right. >> it was a job she did try to do, and many of us gave her a very difficult time because she tried to get me to meet with him and others, and we wouldn't. so -- and who has she been replaced with? kellyanne conway can't even think of a name who is in the white house. so as much as all of us look at at omarosa with some disdain, she was in a position that a position not anyone really wanted to be in and she tried to make it work, because like he said, she spoke highly of him. >> the larger question about omarosa isn't how she left the white house. it's how she got into the white house to begin with. i mean, that's really what we ought to be -- >> why are his kids there? that questions goes to everybody. why is hope hicks there? >> i have a counter intuitive theory which is that omarosa is actually continuing to serve the