years. i had so many side bars before judge ellis, i can't remember them. i had seven trials. in that sidebar, here's what i think was said. rick gates is providing enormous information to robert mueller's office. enormous. you don't have a sidebar like that for 15, 20 minutes. you don't put it under seal. he is providing a lot of information, in my opinion, on the campaign, the convention. remember at the convention something was withdrawn from the platform. he may know why they did that. the inauguration. and i think he worked for a time for the trump lobby group after president trump became president. that sidebar is under seal for a reason. >> so when i look at this and i wonder to myself, this feels like the entire -- the entire court case feels like a sidebar to the mueller investigation. the larger investigation into russia. i keep asking myself, and we