rick gates on trial. it is a much stronger defense to say that you can't believe rick gates and you can't believe the government's case. we don't need to put any witnesses on then it would be to put on one or two character witnesses to say paul manafort is a good guy. that to me is a not a strong case, a strong play by defense, it would probably be the only thing that they would do. the other possibility is there is a technical angle that they would like to pursue and so they may have a more technical witness. i would not expect a long case in p if any case at all. >> dan, you understand the nuance of all of this but since there is a jury. from the jury's perspective is there an optic problem of not calling my witnesses? >> well, it depends. in some federal trial you will see a full defense case and in