hilliard who spoke with michael avenatti and former florida republican congressman david jolly. thanks to both of you for being here. you spoke to michael avenatti but you also spoke to voters. so what are they saying? do they want a fresh face? >> i think let's put into context where we are in the political system here. 85 days out from the midterms. the iowa state fair. it's veterans day here at the iowa state fair. no talk of omarosa going on or the president's tweets. when you talk to the voters, they're talking about education, health care, the trade war the president has engaged farmers into. where does avenatti come in? he was here multiple days and went out to a form. the keynote over the likes of other congressmen. when you were talking to people on the ground here, democrats, about michael avenatti, it was compelling. michael avenatti was making the case to iowans that he's more than a porn star's lawyer as he put it. for 18 years he's been fighting