>> what is really extraordinary, also, about what rudy giuliani said about this september 1st date is he laid it out plainly, not in that interview but a different one, that they want to be able to say, if mueller doesn't meet the deadline, he's the one who is interfering in the election. not the president of the united states. it is not his problem. they're trying to leave him out there to dry. hang him out to dry, so to speak. it is also setting up a situation where if they don't do the interview with mueller, they can say, we gave you a deadline, options of how we'd be willing to do it, and you didn't meet it. too bad, too sad, no interview. >> keeps us busy. thank you for your insights. stay with me. we'll have much more. drawing a blank. the new questions about diversity at the white house, says one of the president's closest white house advisers struggling to name an african-american staffer in west wing. that's when we come back. this morning. hey dad.