ucla grad school working for northrop grumman. >> it is not about ideology. the pre radicalization starts early for that. it is about a search for identity, community and purpose. if we hit what i call potholes in our journey of life, sometimes it detours us. and there is a savvy recruiter waiting for a vulnerable people. we would stand outside of a punk rock concert to do that. today it is the internet that is that punk rock concert. so many people online that can live there. >> does it help recruiting to have a president of the united states who says, you know, there were blame on both sides. >> right. >> who, you know, uses all sorts of tropes of white supremacy and