pardons and looking at trump two or three months after the election before we get into the 2020 cycle to really clear the decks. of course there could also be more indictments this month or a mueller report this month. cohen tapes. there's so many moving parts in this. >> i also think that the manafort trial is harder to discredit a jury verdict than it is -- >> what if they get lucky and get a hung jury? what does trump do if that happens? >> fires rosenstein. >> see, it's a witch hunt. hung juries can happen, right? >> it has to be unanimous, by the way, in the federal criminal trial. it has to be unanimous. >> there you go. we've all seen the movies and they do those things. where's john cusack, is he involved in this? kimberly, bill, howard, stick around. up ahead, the latest on the paul manafort trial. what actually happened in there. and a surprise from the judge. (ford chime) it's the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy.