virginia coming back from lunch with chewing gum in my mouth. not a crime against humanity. but the judge was upset with me and called me to the bench. at the bench out of the earshot of the jury asked me to get rid of the gum, handed me a tissue and discreetly and politely took care of the, quote unquote, problem. judge ellis can do that. every time he is concerned about something one of the counsel does, he can call them to the bench. he doesn't have to berate people in front of the jury. that's the problem here. >> chuck, this is a nonlawyer who's never appeared in front of judge ellis. what seemed weird to me is that all of his conduct seemed to be in one direction. it was all hostile from the prosecution. so from the outside looking in, he accused of lead prosecutor of having tears in his eyes. he banned the word "oligarch." the clients that paul manafort have are all oligarchs. the conduct didn't just seem grouchy or cantankerous just to push back a little bit on your thesis, it seemed all in the direction of being against the prosecutors and helpful to the