witch hunt. his sense of -- >> let me stop you because it raises an interesting question. if the president really does believe, and i think most folks do buy into this, he believes he can convince anybody of anything. it's why, right, he went to sit down with leaders of authoritarian countries. because he thought he could change the equation just by a face-to-face meeting. are his lawyers worried? are the people around him who don't want him to talk to mueller worried that in a split moment, he can agree to something just because that part of his personality becomes dominant? >> yes, the dominant part of his personality that worried his attorneys the most is his ability or his tendency to really stretch the truth. this is a person who has great connecti economic data, who has to go further and say it's the best and record setting economic d a data. a guy who sold his building by saying it was ten stories higher than it was.