under oath. there's a stenographer taking down every word he says and no lawyer, no defense lawyer allowed in that room. can you imagine the carnage if you unleash mueller or one of his attorneys on trump with no lawyer there. >> david jolly, a friend who is a lifelong new yorker and known donald trump for decades always says the following reminder to me. this guy was on the payroll of the network in this building for 14 years. he is used to being kind of the entertainer figure in whatever room he walks into. he is a physically large and imposing guy. he's always been able to make people laugh and get attention. he i think truly believes in his ability to come into that room, take over and charm the folks even the grizzled veteran investigators. >> true. >> having established all of that, what's your straight up prediction, will we ever see mueller on one side of a table