it's just -- it's this pen numb bra all of it circling around the russia case at large. >> and happening in a political land scape of elections which we're seeing tonight. you are seeing the trump team kind of crumble around the president as a result of their own culpability. we don't need to feel empathetic for the folks now beginning to be held account from manafort to cohen to others. there's the gravity of it. there's also the political reality, electoral consequences of it. one of the things we're seeing in the body politic is this distrust of president trump and the people around him. and voters are beginning to use that distrust to inform their decisions. i believe it's what we're seeing tonight in ohio. i believe we'll see it in november, as well. >> counselor, what is the distinction folks at home would be fibben for being confused, is this part of the mueller case? no, they said this one's going