here it is. >> it's pretty clear a president can't be subpoenaed to a criminal proceeding about him. if he wanted to obstruct it, he'd obstruct it, end it. you'd all battle whether he has the legal right to do that, which i think he does. if the president is acting within his capacity as president and he fires someone, that can't be questioned. but he is not obviously going to give up his right to pardon if a mischarge mischar mischar mischarge carriage of -- miscarriage of justice. of course he could. collusion is not a crime. you cannot indict the president. >> so why do we think -- i threw all that out there because why do we think we're at month eight now and this is dragging on? i had saul wisenberg on and he thinks the it's a game of chicken, mueller is not 100% he'd win that subpoena. the white house is not afraid of a subpoena. this is ridiculous. >> i'm not sure rudy giuliani is