in the world than even the russia probe where everyone knows he's lied a lot about a lot of things. what does it tell you, to pick up on margaret's insight there, that he's lying so much in that way, as a kind of aggression? >> yeah, but i don't think it's aggression, ari. i think mueller is like a boxer who keeps cutting off the ring on trump. you're right to bring up the bertherism thing. his political career was built on that lie. and then he's been going on and on. and we can call it on him all we want. but there's enough suckers out there who would believe this president if he told them water wasn't wet. he tocontinually says the medias the enemy of the people. you know what happens, you get goon squads like in florida last night. >> trump's supporters according to a new poll say they actually rely on him, 91% rely on trump more than any other source for