in the room he knew about enough from being around. you want to know where trump's problems are go back and read all the stuff steve bannon has said in the past. this obstruction thing is one of the key ones. >> barbara mcquaid, what is donald trump's best defense at this point at this stage of the evidence as we know it. >> well, i think he would have to -- i don't know that he's going to be able to refute jim comey's testimony about what it was he said. but if he can show it was for some other purpose other than to cover up his own misconduct or the misconduct of people in his campaign, that might be the best. if he can show there was not a corrupt motive. yes, he knew that michael flynn was under investigation but he believed it was a waste of taxpayer funds, that he believed it would be fruitless to try to go after this kind of a case. if he can show that there was some other motive other than corrupt intent, that might be the best. but you know, at some point i think there's going to be a reckoning with robert mueller. either he sits down for an interview or robert mueller has the ability to use a grand jury subpoena to get the information